TNK / ATK project
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 Posted: Thu Jan 18 2007 03:02
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| Elijah wrote: | | thats actually what i was gearing my question towards mostly. because i dont know what makes my voice different than whats on the radio. |
The style of your music itself !
Now that I'm listening to it with the headphones on, I can also tell that there is some saturation on the vocals that could be behind this, but once again, this can be an artistic choice. Just see how Daft Punk edited their vocals like hell !
| Elijah wrote: | | i just wanted to get some advice from some 3rd partys. |
I've sent the link to your 'funkybeat' song to several people I know in the show business, including the producer-songwriter who'll probably be behind the #1 hit in France this year! ('Fais la poule'), I'll pass their feedback to you as soon as I get it (They don't - or very little - speak english, so they can't pass it to you directly). |
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Elijah
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Posted: Thu Jan 18 2007 05:26
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| TNK / ATK project wrote: | | Elijah wrote: | | thats actually what i was gearing my question towards mostly. because i dont know what makes my voice different than whats on the radio. |
The style of your music itself !
Now that I'm listening to it with the headphones on, I can also tell that there is some saturation on the vocals that could be behind this, but once again, this can be an artistic choice. Just see how Daft Punk edited their vocals like hell !
| Elijah wrote: | | i just wanted to get some advice from some 3rd partys. |
I've sent the link to your 'funkybeat' song to several people I know in the show business, including the producer-songwriter who'll probably be behind the #1 hit in France this year! ('Fais la poule'), I'll pass their feedback to you as soon as I get it (They don't - or very little - speak english, so they can't pass it to you directly). |
aww man. couldnt you do it once i made the drums better, and redid the vocals. haha. i changed a fair amount since i posted this first. i have been working on it. all thats left now is the final vocal takes. which is probably tomorrow. because its late here and my landlord lives upstairs and he complains if i sing too loud. (which is usually singing at all)
like seriously... this was not even close to final product yet. this was not mixed or anything... i feel wierd about this being what other ppl will hear. because i just posted this track so you could comment on the vox... if thats all they're doing then ok. but.
sigh. nevermind. i hope they like it.   |
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SoulEye
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Posted: Thu Jan 18 2007 08:25
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| Elijah wrote: | and souleye. you know you can sing. c'mon i cant stop listening to geisha love....
lol |
That wasn't me. The chorus is a 50 year old woman from norway called Synvis! |
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Elijah
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Posted: Thu Jan 18 2007 08:33
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is that u in the chicken suit, tnk. c'mon... we know it is.
haha.
thats a pretty interesting video. |
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SoulEye
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Posted: Thu Jan 18 2007 08:40
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Oh my god. Is this your song and you in the chicken costume, TNK? The voice sounds like you, so does the mixing. I don't know if it looks like you though...
This is so stupid and childish and deplorable musical activity that I just can't.... Can't.... CAN'T STOP LISTENING TO IT! AHHHH! I BE FLAPPIN MY ARMS, SINGING ALONG, POULE POULE POULE!! My god. Happiest song I've heard in a long while.
This could very well be a hit among the youngsters of france. Poor them. POULE POULE! |
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TNK / ATK project
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Posted: Thu Jan 18 2007 13:03
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| SoulEye wrote: |
Oh my god. Is this your song and you in the chicken costume, TNK? |
No !
It's Sebasto, a singer from Bordeaux, south western France !
I'm not the composer nor the producer nor the performer of this track.
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This is so stupid and childish and deplorable musical activity that I just can't.... Can't.... CAN'T STOP LISTENING TO IT! AHHHH! I BE FLAPPIN MY ARMS, SINGING ALONG, POULE POULE POULE!! My god. Happiest song I've heard in a long while. |
Exactly what the guys @ M6 (the TV channel that launched that track) said... The day after, the guy in the chicken suit got phone calls from ALL the big 4...
| SoulEye wrote: |
This could very well be a hit among the youngsters of france. Poor them. POULE POULE! |
It already is ! Check >here !<. People in schools are singing it to have fun about their teachers & so on... it's becoming a real phenomenon ! |
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cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL
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Posted: Thu Jan 18 2007 13:30
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| SoulEye wrote: | | Elijah wrote: | and souleye. you know you can sing. c'mon i cant stop listening to geisha love....
lol |
That wasn't me. The chorus is a 50 year old woman from norway called Synvis! |
Really????????
I always thought that was a young hot chick and wondered when we can perform live together?
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"a dope emcee is a dope emcee"
of course you can rap. im still waiting on a song of yours to sing in. |
I didnt forget it, buddy! In fact I´m still working on that...could take some time though. |
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Posted: Fri Jan 19 2007 02:58
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| Elijah wrote: |
aww man. couldnt you do it once i made the drums better, and redid the vocals. |
I assumed it was a final version, or atleast a version you considered as final, as you wanted advices on it, and just on the voice.
| Elijah wrote: | | which is probably tomorrow. because its late here and my landlord lives upstairs and he complains if i sing too loud. (which is usually singing at all) |
They will anyway probably listen to it only this week-end. Actually one of them - a songwriter who wrote 1300 lyrics - already listened to it and found nothing to complain about it on the issues you were pointing. He was a radio executive for years and he said that there might more be an audiance problem as your song does not sound like some top40 stuff rather than technical or vocal issues.
So basically his advice is to carefully choose the radio stations that play such kind of music.
he also pointed out that it's not 0dB mastered and that's what also may have been bugging the radios (you know, 0dB mastering is when the curves fill the screen... the kind of things sound engeneers hate but producers and radio executives love...). However, this is again a top40 stuff issue, which is probably wrong in other kinds of music.
| Elijah wrote: | if thats all they're doing then ok. but.
sigh. nevermind. i hope they like it. |
I'll add them this remark, but seriously, I heard several productions coming out even of their studios and it often did not sound as your track already sounds (well, the guy behind the Poule song - 'Poule' means 'Chicken' in French - for exemple hasn't only made this song, but he composed & produced over 1100 songs since he got his 1st studio in 1974. He knows what one can do and I think he will not complain about the sound of your track, except maybe that 0dB mastering issue he's personally not very fond of... BTW, he asked me to get him patches and tips about how to use the Daichi Synth1 in the followup to the poule song, so you know, even after 33 years in the business, he's still learning too...).
EDIT : I got the answer from the 'Poule' producer.
He said that your voice is more than OK, but that the answer you got from the radios is typically one of a radio that does not want to play you for other reasons than your voice. As he said, some radios play nothing, some radios play everything, and some others are in between. The only thing that plays a role is the time you spend promoting your stuff, that's the only objective parameter that you can control if you want to make it (right : The poule song is already old - 2002 or 2003 I guess - and was rejected almost everywhere... and finally that guy in the chicken suit managed to sing it on TV, got kicked out of the TV show but still had enough airtime to get attention on his track and now it's being turned into a hit).
He also said that he just finished 'Do the chicken', the english adaptation... Guess you all outside France will get into the Chicken Mania too! |
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Elijah
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Posted: Fri Jan 19 2007 04:13
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thanks the added feedback, but a couple things...
1. i didnt send this song to any radios yet, as ive only spent a total of 5-6 hours on this song.... so as aforementioned i didnt bother mixing anything super well... i just submitted this song to the forum for vocal advice...
2. i understand the 0db thing and how to attain it. but again this was just a creative zone-out that i had... and plus... im a little against the 0db thing, (albeit for radio there's no choice) because thats what volume knobs are for... and plus i dont see why the radios care anyways, they use even more compression at the station to mash every last bit of sound out of the song so... i say they can do that live...
3. i dont have a 3rd but im glad they liked it anyway... i will post the final copy of this song in the forum. i just need to resing the vox. but i have this major sore throat right now so it will probably be next week...
peace.
anyways thanks for going through the lengths and passing it on nevertheless. |
- Elijah |
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Franklin van Uden
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Posted: Fri Jan 19 2007 09:48
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| Elijah wrote: | thanks the added feedback, but a couple things...
1. i didnt send this song to any radios yet, as ive only spent a total of 5-6 hours on this song.... so as aforementioned i didnt bother mixing anything super well... i just submitted this song to the forum for vocal advice...
2. i understand the 0db thing and how to attain it. but again this was just a creative zone-out that i had... and plus... im a little against the 0db thing, (albeit for radio there's no choice) because thats what volume knobs are for... and plus i dont see why the radios care anyways, they use even more compression at the station to mash every last bit of sound out of the song so... i say they can do that live...
3. i dont have a 3rd but im glad they liked it anyway... i will post the final copy of this song in the forum. i just need to resing the vox. but i have this major sore throat right now so it will probably be next week...
peace.
anyways thanks for going through the lengths and passing it on nevertheless. |
Any chance of a remix in the bag ? |
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Elijah
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Posted: Fri Jan 19 2007 14:49
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of course... just wait till its done. i promise it will be soon. all i have are vocals... i already have all the levels set. all i have to do is bellow my ranting into the microphone.  |
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TNK / ATK project
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Posted: Sun Jan 21 2007 00:03
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| Elijah wrote: | thanks the added feedback, but a couple things...
1. i didnt send this song to any radios yet, as ive only spent a total of 5-6 hours on this song.... so as aforementioned i didnt bother mixing anything super well... i just submitted this song to the forum for vocal advice... |
I've however got some more advices :
1) You described it as a part of a party music project... Defined that way, It would probably be turned out. Defined as some kind of laidback house it would have much more chances.
2) Watch your song length : Unless you're a worldwide star like Madonna, the (commercial) radios do not play songs longer than 3:30 anymore. You can of course create songs that last for as long as you want, but if you want to get some radio airplay on commercial radios, also do a 3:30 or shorter radio edit of your song.
| Elijah wrote: | | 2. i understand the 0db thing and how to attain it. but again this was just a creative zone-out that i had... and plus... im a little against the 0db thing, (albeit for radio there's no choice) |
Unfortunately true...
But nowadays, there are some mastering soft and hardware that get to the 0dB limit without too much distortion (but still there is distortion, of course).
| Elijah wrote: | | because thats what volume knobs are for... and plus i dont see why the radios care anyways, they use even more compression at the station to mash every last bit of sound out of the song so |
1) Because it sounds louder even unprocessed by them : Their executives (who often have very little technical experience) will think (even if it's wrong) that it's therefore better.
2) Because they can mash it even more that way !
Best regards, TNK |
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Franklin van Uden
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Posted: Sun Jan 21 2007 09:35
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| Elijah wrote: | | of course... just wait till its done. i promise it will be soon. all i have are vocals... i already have all the levels set. all i have to do is bellow my ranting into the microphone. |
Cool, looking forward to it |
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Elijah
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Posted: Sun Jan 21 2007 19:36
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| TNK / ATK project wrote: | I've however got some more advices :
1) You described it as a part of a party music project... Defined that way, It would probably be turned out. Defined as some kind of laidback house it would have much more chances.
2) Watch your song length : Unless you're a worldwide star like Madonna, the (commercial) radios do not play songs longer than 3:30 anymore. You can of course create songs that last for as long as you want, but if you want to get some radio airplay on commercial radios, also do a 3:30 or shorter radio edit of your song.
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well. to be honest. im not planning this to be a commercial release... i just want to get an album done. i'll probably just release it to independant radios. they will usually play anything. haha. plus, if some label was interested i would make a demo with more condensed tracks. but i am not getting my hopes up for a commercial release... |
- Elijah |
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Posted: Tue Feb 06 2007 22:07
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Just a quick note :
'Fais la poule' entered straight at the 3rd ranking in the french single charts.
Proof >here< (URL valid until February 12th, 2007) |
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